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Subject: UFO Kaikoura Lights New Zealand - (194317 on 01-25-03) - Robert

Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:19:30 -0700


Re: UFO Kaikoura Lights New Zealand - twebb (04/24/03)

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The Subject: UFO Kaikoura Lights New Zealand
At 19:43:17 on 01/25/03, Robert (heretaunga_2000@yahoo.co.nz) wrote:
I was on Army training during the Kaikoura lights along the east coast of the South Island and off the coast from Blenheim in New Zealand in 1978. We were in the Lake Tekapo region. We had just come off the main road and turning into long desert region when our troop all saw the round perfectly flat clouds eliptical in shape and having billowing clouds rising above. We passed Mount John the American Microwave Rely station with its large microwave dishes at odd angles. I was told they were dismanteling these and moving to Blenheim which was to be their new station for collecting international information. From the angle it was obvious the clouds would be elipitical when these microwave dishes emitted a microwave heat frequency.
Now it could be seen that these Microwave dishes were the reson for these odd clouds, evidently they were experimenting with different frequencies and where the microwave beam passed through a cold layer it caused these elipitical clouds to form (There were about five) when we talked we realised if the microwave frequencies were changed the microwave beams could ionise the ionsphere and at night cause it to light up and appear as a bright spot where it passed through the ionosphere., and when the mircowave dish was moved just a faction of a radius of arc it would appear that these bright spots were traveling very fast or hover if they beamed at one spot in the ionospehe. There could be no focus point as the swirling bright spots were not solid.
These were obviously the cause of the Kaikoura Lights beleived to be UFO's. As for the Wellington Radar sitings , when a aircraft came to the point indicated on the Radar the plane felt buffferd by a heated updraft. Thus this would be the effect of a heat wave produced by the microwave dish at Bleheim just being commissioned. And the other lights by the mocrowave dishes being decommissioned at Mount John in Tekapo. The circular clouds were the first clue, obviously caused by the heat wave from these microwave dishes possible on frequencies not usually made whenfully operational. That and with the clue that the Russians had set u[ a sting of Microwave dishes to attempt to heat up the air and change the weather come sinto this equation. Where the ionosphere is layered it can show up to three bright spots and appear as three UFO.s at three levels.
Why was the fact Mount John was being decommissioned on these dates and Blenheim spy station being commissioned in the same period.
The secrecy could be used to formulate a psychological aspect in times of need as to the real cause of these lights.

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Not everything in the sky has to be aliens, but there are some fascinating phenomena around and some crafty people too eh? Personally I don't think aliens are coming to earth that much if at all. As for the so called inertialess drive well...

As for aliens being humanoid, they would have to be able to build things no? The only reason humans can build things so well is because of how our bodies are formed, with opposable digits (thumbs) and feet which allow us to walk upright. I can't see no lizard or insect or any other type of being being able to produce the goods.

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Found on inertialless drive site:

The Inertialess Drive Rotor

The company has created the first dual-rotating, single piece mass. The Inertialess Drive Rotor, a single solid object, can simultaneously rotate in two planes, at 90º to each other. The two planes of rotation are perpendicular and horizontal. In technical terms, it rotates simultaneously about a pair of orthogonal axes one of which is defined by the edge of the spherical body between the two halves.

The Rotor has no centrifugal aspect, and its inertia dissipates under rotation, unlike conventional spheres and wheels. A key consideration is the rotors transportability without the limitation of gyroscopic forces. In other words, the dual-rotating mass does not gain inertia when spun. The rotor can be transported freely whilst rotating at high velocities. The torque is transferred continuously to each plane of rotation. The faster the rotor goes the greater the harmonic transition phase. The rotor does not fly apart at extreme rotational speeds, it only becomes more stable! It is a true alpha to omega, one of a kind object that is unrepeatable.

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Hey, the worlds most brilliant scientists at one time thought earth was flat and the universe rotated around us, so who knows? They're apparently onto something, just what that something is I don't know.

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I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem :P

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In technical terms, it rotates simultaneously about a pair of orthogonal axes one of which is defined by the edge of the spherical body between the two halves.

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Sounds impressive but so what?

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The Rotor has no centrifugal aspect, and its inertia dissipates under rotation,

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WTF is a centrifugal aspect? THey give no technical reason for this and I know from my studies and experiments that inertia cannot be dissipated. It is an inherent property of mass, just like gravity.

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unlike conventional spheres and wheels. A key consideration is the rotors transportability without the limitation of gyroscopic forces.

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SO they are saying that an object can be made to spin without carrying any angular momentum? I don't buy it. THe angular momentum vectors will be 90 degrees to each other but they will not be dissipated, leading to an absense of gyroscopic forces.

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In other words, the dual-rotating mass does not gain inertia when spun.

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You can only gain or lose inertia by gaining and losing mass. These folks are playing on the fact that most people do not know the exact definition and physical meaning of inertia.

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The rotor can be transported freely whilst rotating at high velocities. The torque is transferred continuously to each plane of rotation.

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Oooh a new word torque!! Sounds good but they don't say what the physical consequence of this amazing torque transfer is.

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The faster the rotor goes the greater the harmonic transition phase. The rotor does not fly apart at extreme rotational speeds, it only becomes more stable! It is a true alpha to omega, one of a kind object that is unrepeatable.

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Harmonic transition phase??. What does this mean? I'll tell you what - NOTHING!! I've seen ad's by companies like this before and they all work on the premise that the potential buyer is not a physicist or engineer. I don't mean to sound like a d1ck but I don't need to take this to my Prof to know that this is technobabble which essentially says nothing meaningful. An old saying goes "A fool and his money are soon parted" . The AA did some tests on their so called fuel saving device and found that it made NO SAVINGS AT ALL!! Do you really think if they found some sort of fancy new motor-drive that they would be using it to save petrol? Bugger that, they should be putting this **** straight into cars and doing away with petrol altogether! If they were onto anything, people would be racing each other to develop the first practicable engine of this design, not hiding it away in lil old Aotearoa.

As for brilliant scientists thinking the earth was flat....I don't think so. There was a dude about 2000BC called Erathostenes who deduced the earth was spherical and worked out the distance all the way around. Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo and Isaac Newton said or believed the current model of things (sun in the middle, earth is round and goes around the sun etc) as well as Einstein, can you name these other brilliant scientists of whom you speak?

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Originally posted by spud:
Why do people automatically assume that the human hand is the best way to make something. This is what I was getting at. It all depends on your frame of reference and the scope of your thinking. What about electro magnetism? On an Iron rich world this would be a good way for a creature to control objects. There are examples of creatures on earth that can create electricity, so why not? This is just one aspect of physics that we KNOW about. As most of the universe is unknown I think it's safe to say that an alien would quite likely be very different from us, but at the same time make a lot of sense. It's like those brain teasing riddles -the answer always seems so obvious once somone's told it to you.

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Haha spud, always keen to debate the point with someone who has a clue...

Monkeys have hands too man! Hey spud, the reason we know so much about the universe is that we assumed the laws of physics to be the same everywhere and this has turned out to be a pretty reasonable and testable assumption. Can you imagine the screwy universe we would live in if gravity was less powerful somwhere else? or if electricity was somehow different? not to mention all the other laws.

You are right about animals making electricity with their bodies and in fact all animals do this (to a much lesser degree) when they move. The thing that makes your muscles move is tiny electrical impulses controlled by your brain to literally shock your muscles into moving. Animals like electric eels can generate up to 400volts but only for a fraction of a second and all by contracting special muscles in an all out effort to shock some prey. The sort of sustained currents of electricity needed to generate enough magnestism to move things around is beyond the abilities of the structure of living organisms (ie they would have to eat all day to convert enough power from food into electricity). Also the Earth is an Iron rich planet with its own magnetic field but we still have thumbs

If we do find life out in space I actually don't think it will be too different from that on earth. Some species of creature will develop with the right tools and enough brains to take over the planet just like humans did on earth. But there are many constraining factors on the process of life development which makes the chances of it happening anywhere pretty slim, but then the universe is so farken big even the slimmest of odds will pay off somewhere, just like it did here.

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great minds not to be reckoned with!

With my limited physics background i can safely say that is that techno stuff sounded like a load of gibberish intended to scam the public..but we will remain to be seen.

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Well it might be crap, I'm not a physicist, but I do try to keep an open mind. What was thought physically impossible once upon a time is now accepted without a second thought today. Don't get too worked up over saying how wrong they might be, even if they are.

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I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem :P

UFO's are real. Some are operated by Humans - US military mostly and i can tell you which military bases they operate from if you really want to know and some are operated by aliens from the Pleidies star constellation, some are from Arcturus, some Orion, some Sirian, some Andromedan, some from Lyra and the ones that most of us have heard about are commonly referred to as the "Greys" and these are the ones that have been abducting humans, mostly in USA and they come from the Zeta Reticuli star system.
Anyone want to know anything more about any kind of ET, or life on other planets or anti-gravity flying machine etc, just ask!

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Beam me up Scotty - there is no intelligent lifeforce here!

PS - Wanna see some implants? Click on here then... http://www.crystalinks.com/implants.html

PPS Not up the rectum either Spat. They are often inserted up a nostril towards the frontal lobal area of the brain. (May i ask why you have a fascination with things inserted up the "rectum"?!

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I often wish an advanced species would make themselves undeniably apparent to mankind; it would hopefully make these idiots in control of entire nations realize just how petty, self-centred and obtuse some of their reasons are for having wars etc and maybe, just maybe, they could put their differences aside and realize there's a much bigger world outside than the confines of this little planet. The sad thing is that there are many who would refuse to accept this even if an alien lifeform came up and shook hands with them, and would instead seek to destroy it in order to maintain their own perception of their universe and the importance of mankind in it.

*stare* This is getting a bit heavy for 1am on a Monday morning. or not. heh

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I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem :P

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