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Here's a good quote: "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us."

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I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem :P

seriously there is a website stopabductions dot com
where u can get a helmet that protects you from the thoughtwaves of ET's that may think about abducting you!!

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apparently aliens are quite common at shipwreck bay too.

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1/ If the aliens are smart enough to build a faster than light space vehicle and travel halfway across the galaxy, do you really think that they would be dumb enough crash?

2/ Why do the aliens always seem to crash in United States? Why not India, or somewhere like that?

3/ If the president of the United States can't keep a blow job secret, the military can't keep the secret of nuclear wepons from the Russians, and they, the world's biggest military machine lost a war against some rice farmers in Vietnam, how could they keep a secret like a alien spaceship crashing into the Nevada desert? Why would they keep it secret, and if they have where is the evidence of the technology they surely would have gained from studying such a vehicle?

4/ Why is it when there are hundreds of plausable explanations for what people claim to see (Tiredness, the power of suggestion, weather balloons, military and commercial aircraft, weather events etc) do people accept the least plausable explaination. ie it was aliens?

5/ Ever thought you saw a shark, but it turned out to be a piece of seaweed or a bit of wood? Ever seen faces in the clouds?

6/ Why is it that aliens always look huminoid? Consider the variety of life on this planet. Surely alien life would be completely different from our concept of life.

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Hey bionic cronic are you like a half alien? Like those geezers out of that TV program 'Roswell' who go around trying to save drama schools & help out old lady's. You know those geezers whose hand doubles as a lightbulb.
With the present power 'crisis' you should be helping out old ladies with your 'power' & sticking ya hand in where the sun don't shine so that they might once again smile & 'let the sunshine come in'.

Other than that, that's that.

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Originally posted by spud:
Here's some things to chew over...

1/ If the aliens are smart enough to build a faster than light space vehicle and travel halfway across the galaxy, do you really think that they would be dumb enough crash?

Hey humans are smart enough to build planes and rockets that can fly around the world in less than a day but guess what? THEY CRASH!

2/ Why do the aliens always seem to crash in United States? Why not India, or somewhere like that?

THis is not true, just what you believe. There have been reports of ufos crashing in many other countries. Do indians even know what a ufo is? they might think it's a sign from krishna or something...

3/ If the president of the United States can't keep a blow job secret, the military can't keep the secret of nuclear wepons from the Russians, and they, the world's biggest military machine lost a war against some rice farmers in Vietnam, how could they keep a secret like a alien spaceship crashing into the Nevada desert? Why would they keep it secret, and if they have where is the evidence of the technology they surely would have gained from studying such a vehicle?

Dude the fact you even know about it means it is not a secret anymore, just like those other things you mentioned.

4/ Why is it when there are hundreds of plausable explanations for what people claim to see (Tiredness, the power of suggestion, weather balloons, military and commercial aircraft, weather events etc) do people accept the least plausable explaination. ie it was aliens?

OK this is the best one. While 99% of ufo cases are down to the things spud mentioned. There is a 1% of cases that are completely unexplained. Do some research on the Kaikoura lights. An object going 140knots was detected on radar and seen by two experienced pilots in the air plus some military pilots who were on the ground. Shortly after that an Aussie film crew went up in a plane and filmed the object for the world to see. Explanations came back as the planet venus or jupiter but neglected to mention that planets do not show up on radar doing 140knots! Another one was that it was lights from squid boats(!!?) again I never heard of a squid boat doing 140knots. What it was we'll probably never know...

5/ Ever thought you saw a shark, but it turned out to be a piece of seaweed or a bit of wood? Ever seen faces in the clouds?

See above points. 99% of ufos are attributable to everyday phenomena.

6/ Why is it that aliens always look huminoid? Consider the variety of life on this planet. Surely alien life would be completely different from our concept of life.

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Okay, You're right, there are things in the sky that can't be explained, but why do they have to be aliens from outer-space? Everything else in the sky that we used to not be able to explain, and now can explain, turned out NOT to be aliens, so why should it be that the things we can't explain now WILL turn out to be aliens? I reckon it's a lot more likely that eventually we'll discover that those objects on the radar in Kaikoura are just some aspect of radar that we have not discovered.
As for India, well it doesn't surprise me that they found Krishna and not aliens as they were looking for Krishna. That's my point. Believe in something enough, and look for it hard enough you are sure to find it. Some Americans are convinced that aliens exist, so when they find a weather balloon or the lie they are convinced that they have found aliens, as this is what they're looking for. The bottom line is that it is more likely that Americans are a particularly unusual breed of crazy and that aliens are not visiting us.
Anyway, if they were visiting us I am convinced that it would be in a form that would be beyond our comprehension and completely different from what we expect them to be like. It's like those old science fiction movies. They make predictions about the future that are completely wide of the mark, as they are confined to their frame of reference, and are unable to think outside it.

Examples:

-They never predict social change ie 50s si-fi was unable to predict women's lib
-Thet fail to predict political change ie many old movies predicted the existence of the USSR in the distant future
-They fail to predict technological change, ie, the internet, paperless transactions, flat screen monitors.

These are human attempts to gaze perhaps a few thousand years into the future, but fail to forsee hugely signignicant changes that occured just in the last 15 years!
My point is that aliens possibly wont need a ship, perhaps they are able to transport their conciousness via mathmatical model making that approximates reality to such a degree that virtual reality becomes reality -ie, no neesd to physically travel anwhere. Remember that we could be talking about a society that has had MILLIONS of years longer than us to develop their technology. Just as the technology of today would be completely baffling to humans only a few hundred yars ago, consider how uncomprehendable a tecnology MILLIONS of years more advanced than ours would be. We wouldn't even be able to percieve them
This brings me back to the crash idea. You said that our rockets sometimes crash. Consider though that we have been developing ballistic rockets for 50 years. I'd imaginw that if a society had MILLIONS of years to work on them that they'd probably have a fail safe space ship, but once again, why does everybody just assume that they'd arrive on a ship....

Anyway, as you can see I have given this topic a lot of thought. I'm not saying that aliens don't exist, infact in an infinite universe it's a certainty that they do exist in infinite variety. Im not discounting the idea that they have visited earth either. All i'm saying is that UFO's are probably not aliens.

[ 12 June 2003: Message edited by: spud ]

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Ever read Douglas Adams? Besides being farking funny, he came up with some groovy ideas - bistromatics is a hot one I think

Apparently there's UFOs seen out a Great Barrier Island fairly often ..then again, there's a whole lot of mull being grown out there too

There's a thing called inertialess drive (something like that) in developmental stages at the moment. A guy I know in NZ explained it all to me and it's farking amazing. They apparently have made some scaled prototypes that have blown people away, the mechanics of it totally revolutionizes current forms of transport. If I had a heap of spare cash at the moment, I'd be investing it there.

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I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem :P

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Expect your wife to leave you soon Oneeyeoneway.

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Yeah inertialess - I couldn't explain it nearly as well as I was told it, and the guy drew diagrams and all sorts for me over the space of a couple of hours and more than a few beers. Central to it is a 'generator' that operates in a frictionless vacuum and uses constantly reversing polarity at mega-high speed to 'spin' this little metal mushroomy shaped object inside this 'inertialess' environment which is the source of it all. That's not really it, but something like that. As I said, the potential of it is huge, including what I could only interpret as virtual anti-gravity properties. It is truely amazing. I think they know how to generate it, but controlling it and being able to direct the resultant energy is the issue now.

There is actually a few spin-offs from the technology on the market already, one of which can be installed into an existing fuel engine and cut fuel consumption very significantly. I used to know the website for that one but cant recall it now (was a couple of years ago). Their biggest concern at the time I spoke to the guy was goverment/international interference and blocking patents, since something like this could theoretically mess with the international economy quite badly if it lives up to its potential.

[ 13 June 2003: Message edited by: demonsurfer ]

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I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem :P

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I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem :P