Giants and Dinosaurs Together?! 11/11/2003 18:05 Every living creature leaves a trace. In 1850 American archaeologist D. Carter made a sensational discovery in San Diego, CA on Texas street. His accidental discovery appeared to be that of a trace of the first Americans dating back to 80,000-90,000 years. A considerable amount of artifacts has been studied. Unable to find heavy evidences in order to back up his theory, the archaeologist had simply been laughed at. Determined in proving his point to his skeptical colleagues, Carter decided to organize another dig in 1953. He invited many famous scientists to witness his finds. The invitation was declined by everybody. Carter later wrote, "San Diego State University refused to view the finds which have been found in his own back yard." Russia is no exception when it comes to this kind of activities. Majority of sensational discoveries were for the most part considered a lie. One can hardly imagine the amount of exceptional, sensational information that is being stored in today's archives. Here are some facts concerning such matters. In 1961, two Russian scientists Okladnikov and Rogozhin discovered a large variety of tools in Siberia not far away from a town named Gorno-Altaisk located by the river Utalinka. They concluded that their finds date back to 1,5-2 million years. Another Russian scientist Molchanov discovered absolutely identical tools on the river Lena near a village Urlak. Radiocarbon dating analyses of these finds has clearly identified a precise date: almost 2 million years. The overall meaning of such finds appears to be of major importance, since it is thanks to them that we are able to trace the existence of the first human. They also ignite a rather controversial debate among scientists. Every living creature leaves a trace. Certain evidences also indicate that humans existed during even earlier periods. Remains of a human skeleton vividly resembling those traits of a modern human being were found on the Pacific Coast. Their age had been determined as 5 million. France and Portugal have also contributed valuable data to the everlasting search of traces of humans existence. Human remains have been found there ranging from 5 to 25 million years. In 1979 archaeologist Fili discovered several prints of human feet imprinted on a 4 million year-old volcanic lava. The most tedious research has indicated that those prints belong to humans, not apes. As it is known all apes or ape-like creatures have elongated toes. Some anthropologists, while being skeptical to dismiss Darwin's theory of evolution, claim that those prints might have belonged to apes with clenched toes. Perhaps, this was apes' way of joking with humans. Who knows? Another discovery of a calcified human's footprint has been made in Turkmenia. Its age leads us all the way back to 150 million years, to the Mesozoic period, and ultimately to the time of dinosaurs. Can it be possible that humans inhabited this planet along with such monstrous creatures? Yes. Russian scientists however claim that a single footprint is not enough to rethink previous theories of human existence and come up with something radically novel. But what about an entire chain of footprints found near Carson, Nevada (USA)? Those are incredibly precise and clear prints doubtlessly left by a human. Their size is gigantic. Their age is 213-248 million years. It is not hard to conclude therefore that such discovery cannot possibly go hand in hand with today's preconceived notions. Many scientists have proved the existence of remains of human-like creatures. Such finds constitute that giant people might have easily been our ancestors existing during the same era with gigantic creatures. A time will come when we will finally accept a possibility of the existence of giants on this planet. Anatolii Vasilev, "Kontinent" ================================== Unknown cadaver found on Borneo It was the stench from the cadaver that led two security guards to a deserted beach outside Lumut on Borneo, where they found a 20 feet long, unknown animal that had washed up on the sand. The animal remains unknown. A few pieces of meat was still attached to the remains, which mostly consisted of a well defined tail. There was other skeleton parts too, a few feet away from the large piece and partly buried under the sand. The skeletal remains was probably beached during a storm and had it not been for the stench they would never have been found. "We have not been able to identify the remains yet", say´s zoologist Muharrem Karakaya at the University of Osmangazi in Eskisehir. "But we think it is a basking shark, a fish who likes it in a climate between the poles and the sub-tropical areas and very seldom are visiting waters like ours". The basking shark, Cetorhinus maximus, is the worlds second largest fish, beaten only by the whale shark, Rhincodon typus, which is a few feet longer. Grown individuals are often over 20 feet and can reach as much as 30 feet. "If its not a basking shark we will ask for help from foreign researchers, who has more experience from identifying unknown animals from the sea than we have", concludes Dr. Karakaya. Source: Borneo Bulletin 18 February 2003. --------------------------------------------------- One of the unsolved riddles of Great Britain: The cadaver on the Outer Hebrides Five years ago the Hancock Museum in Scotland displayed the picture above for the visitors on the Internet, in the hope that someone would be able to identify the creature on the beach. But no one could and the skeleton remains on Benbecula Beach on the Outer Hebrides, remains a mystery. Louise Whitts (pictured above), a nurse from Bedlington, took the pictures during a vacation to Scotland, when she was only 16 years old (in the summer of 1990). She and her family was very puzzled by the 12 feet long body on the beach, covered by sand and sea grass, and assumed it had to be a serpent that had washed ashore from the sea. "The body had what looked like a head in one end and a long, curved back that seemed to have been covered by a fur", said Louise Whitts. "The stench from it was nauseating. But the most remarkable was humps on its back that looked like the same fins that the dinosaurs had". Reluctant When they came home again the Watts studied all they could find about Nessie, but even though many observations of the famous Loch Ness Monster fitted with what they had found on the beach in the Outer Hebrides, they were reluctant to make their pictures public. "We talked about taking them to the Hancock Museum to ask about their opinion, but I thought it was all too embarrassing and so they got stuck in a drawer for a long time. When I found them again I realized it was time to try and identify the strange animal on the beach", say´s Louise Whitts. Hancock is a prominent natural history museum in Newcastle and the institution is rumored to be open to all possibilities in the animal kingdom - including sea serpents as famous as Nessie, Storsie, Selma and others. Strange animals "It´s not unusual that people turn to us with pictures of strange animals and we can usually identify them right away", say´s Alec Coles, a spokesman at the Hancock Museum. "But we have never seen anything like the pictures taken by the Whitts. At first we thought it was a dead whale but we couldn´t fit it in with certain details, even though we would have been happier with more pictures of the body in question". "Whether this is a relative to Nessie or other sea serpents or not, is a question we can´t answer, and will be left to others to speculate about, but I agree with miss Whitts herself, when she says that it´s easy to associate the find on Benbecula Beach to the famous creatures", concludes Alec Coles. Feature: Jan Sundberg, GUST © 2003. Japanese scientist was recently conducting a speculative experiment close to the Mariana trench in the Pacific, the deepest spot on the earth. when they caught something they hadn´t expected... A container full of jared blood and gore was the bait and surveyed by an advanced video camera. The purpose was to attract deep water sharks. The next minute the sharks dispersed and the Japanese scientists saw something they will never forget. A huge animal was slowly swimming above the camera, something never seen before and so large it was almost impossible. A depth of 1,5 kilometers The creature moved at a depth of 1.5 kilometers, with a body that was 60 meters long - or 180 feet! Scientists still do not know what they saw, registered and filmed and not a single frame has been released. If it was a giant shark Megalodon is a good candidate, even though this monster is thought to have died out 170 million years ago; see our features Megalodon the Monster Shark and New Evidence for Megalodon. Very careful If it was a classical sea serpent it´s easy to understand why the Japanese scientist´s are cautious and would like to analyze the video footage very careful before releasing it to the world. GUST has activated our Japanese correspondents and will update as soon as we know anything more about the monster of the Mariana trench. Source: Pravda 09/20/2003. Feature: Jan Sundberg, GUST © 2003. CRYTpOZOOLOGY.COM Strange winged creature sighting posted by Penny on September 28, 2003 In December, 1997 my husband and I both sighted a huge creature flying over a densely populated area, while we were out walking one night in Perth, Western Australia on the coastline around 10:30pm. We were walking along Marmion Avenue between the suburbs of Heathridge and Ocean Reef. This creature could not be written off as a bird as it was bigger than any bird on the planet, it did not flap it's wings (just glided on the air current), it had a ruddy reddish brown leathery skin; (we could see it's underneath as it flew over us at about 300ft up; the glow from all the ground lighting made that possible), it had a long tail and a wingspan that we estimated at between 30-50ft across. We have speculated much over the years as to what it may have been. It made no sound and did not flap it's wings. The creature appeared to know where it was heading.....and just flew in the direction from North to South parallel to the coastline about 1/2 mile inland. This creature was huge and never in my life have I ever seen anything that remotely resembled it until I found a page on Pterosaurs over the last few days. Today on a trip with my husband and son we talked about that sighting and something else came to mind; maybe these creatures have always been here in remote places, but it is possible their numbers are increasing and they have to search farther a field for food. I have also read over the last few days that we are not the only people who have seen one of these creatures. I tried to ring a UFO line in Western Australia at the time but no one answered the telephone, so I gave up. With family life taking precedence, the sighting was pushed aside as who do you report these sightings to anyway? If a creature that size is flying the night sky then it could be dangerous to humans....it must have a huge appetite. My husband works in a scientific field and he observed it and took in much more about it than I did....I was more gaping and saying "what the hell is that?" We watched this creature glide on down the coastline until it was just a little dot on the horizon in the distance, which was about 5 minutes. Being a middle aged couple who abhor the spotlight, we were not going to go to newspapers and leave ourselves open for ridicule. Australia is a vast country, with a great deal of it unpopulated; any creature could go undiscovered. Besides the colouring of this creature could also blend in with the landscape making it hard to detect and also if it only comes out at night to hunt food it would make it even harder to find or catch. But we both swear to God that we saw it, it was a clear, beautiful night, and we had been admiring the stars and walking and talking....when my husband spotted it first and pointed at it and told me to look up. It was certainly a shock to me at the time. A sighting of this type knocks you out of your comfort zone because we were looking at something that is not supposed to exist! Whoever says these things are extinct is wrong? We know we saw it, and nothing could shake us from that conviction. Plesiosaurus in the Chesapeake Bay (Virginia) posted by W. Morton on August 29, 2003 In September of 1985, myself and my friend (both police officers) had decided to go fishing for flounder in the Chesapeake Bay. It was a beautiful day, sunny and clear, just a few clouds in the sky. The high temperature in the 80's. My friend had a small runabout boat with a 35 h.p. motor. We left for our trip from the public ramp at Willoughby Spit in Norfolk, VA. We rounded the point at Willoughby and headed into the Chesapeake Bay through the main channel of the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel. We passed near the old Fort Wool manmade island adjacent to the South Island of the tunnel. This island had been used during the Civil War to fire cannon on the Monitor and Merrimac (the infamous Iron warships, first to battle during the Civil War). We stopped our boat a couple of hundred yards east of the island, on the southside of the main channel, and begandrift fishing for flounder, using stripes of squid for bait. After catching more than 20 flounder, we were looking back toward Fort Wool, when suddenly, something large rolled over in the water in an eddie near the rocks. The current was coming out toward us (eastward), and the swirling water in this area had some trash and debris in it. Whatever it was it didn't resurface. All we could see was it's back, with no fins, or other protrusions. Nothing else appeared for about 10 to 15 minutes. Then, my friend called my attention to look off the northwest stern of the boat. I did so, and was startled to observe the long neck of a sea creature protruding out of the water, about 75 yards away from our boat, out in the main channel. This was about 1:00 p.m. in the afternoon. There was considerable traffic on the tunnel bridges, about a 1/4 mile away. The animal was looking away from us, at an angle, toward the northeast. I could clearly see its profile. It's head looked much like a horses head, with a short snout, and no ears. I remarked to my friend that I thought I could hear it breathing, a sound like watery mist. He said he thought it might be a turtle, but I dismissed that notion, saying, "what kind of a turtle has an 8' ft. neck?" We could not see the bulk of its body, and it submerged. Surely that was the end of it...right? No! About 10 minutes later, while I was baiting my hook, my friend shouted at me, "I got something!" I looked up to see his rod bent over double, the strain on his face, as something big appeared to be on his hook. It was moving from our right to left, behind the boat, steadily. Suddenly, the beast broke the water, it's long neck shooting from the water like a spear. Two large diamond-shaped fins thrust forward in the water, propelling its motion. My friends line draped across its chest, above the flippers. My friends line snapped! The animal flailed wildly for about 15' to 20' ft., and then dove back into the water. The sheer size of the animal (all we could see was about 12' to 15' ft. of it) caused a large series of waves to crash against the stern of our boat. In a state of shock, I jumped up and rushed for the anchor, which wasn't even down (we were drift fishing). My friend cranked feverishly on his motor, starting it, and lunging for the motor controls. We sped away, not stopping until we reached a point near the Ocean View shoreline, at the end of the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel (Norfolk side). We stopped and looked at each other, hearts pounding, blood pumping, with heavy breathing, and my friend asked if we should report this? I shouted back, "No way! Our credibility as police would be over!" We said nothing until about 2 yrs. later. At that time I made a report to the Smithzonian Institute. They, in turn, forwarded my report to the International Institute of Ichtozoology. In reflecting back on the incident, the animal appeared to be a Plesiosaurus. I have seen many skeletal remains of these animals and this looks most similar to what I saw. It's skin was a greenish, patchy greenish yellow, and had a number of small barnacles on it. It's neck tapered from about 10" to 12" inches at the base, to about 8" inches at the back jaw. I only saw the front diamond-shaped flippers, and the front of the animal. I did not see if it had a tail, or flippers on the back end of it. I still get goose bumps when I relive this event. I have often thought of trying to organize some effort during the months of August and September, to set up a side scan radar on Fort Wool, and observe everything that moves through the main channel between the Fort Wood and the North Island of the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel. I know this animal passed through this channel once, and probably would again! It would be seen on side-scan radar set up on Fort Wool! Sometimes, I wish I had never seen it! It's not easy to see something that isn't suppose to exist........A LIVING BREATHING DINOSAUR! posted by Stevenson Fisher on August 11, 2002 This account has two different segments. I live in Camden, ME, a small coastal village with a huge tourist population in the Summer, and quite a few in the autumn, then nothing from October until May. It was October 2001, and I was walking up the street on the left side, towards my house. I was walking along, when I suddenly heard a squeaking noise, as though a mouse of some form. I immediately looked down onto the leaves, which I remember distinctly, and looked for the tell-tale shiver of a mouse. (Mice are very common in autumn in Camden, they run across the street and along the sidewalk often enough. Little field mice.) Well, I didn't see one, and it was loud enough to warrant one being right there. I started to walk again, and I heard it again. Looking up, past the electric lines, I saw a large... thing. It was a flying creature, with wings that were leathery from the appearance and the light that shone through them. (Sunlight went through them, underneath the "arm".) It swooped across the street, and flew over my apartment, turning to fly parallel past the roof. This was what gave me perfect comaprison for size. Judging from my roof size, I figured that it had a wing span of at least 24', perhaps more. It then swooped off into the woods behind my house. Huh, I thought. Isn't that odd. A giant bird just flew behind my house. Well, later on, in the winter, I was walking home again, same street up towards my house, when it flies by again! Same exact situation, only it goes straight over my house. No sqeaky noise this time though. Just thought I'd share the story. -Stevenson Fisher Lake Superior Monster (PLUS PICTURE) posted by Randy L. Braun on July 23, 2001 On Memorial Day Weekend in 1977 I was camping at Presque Isle campground north of Ironwood, Michigan, with a friend. I don't remember if it was Saturday or Sunday but it was a beautiful morning and Lake Superior was like glass. Visibility was remarkable when looking out across the Lake, and distant land was visible. There's a trail that leads east from the campground which crosses the Presque Isle River that I was navigating, however, the bugs were unbearable, and I headed north towards the lake hoping that walking along the beach would be more comfortable. When I reached the treeline there was the beach but about one hundred feet below me. The slope leading to the beach was close to a 45 degree angle with short dead trees protruding from the moss covered rock, and come to find out also very slippery. It still amazes me to this day how I was able to control my slide and with a full backpack. I sheared off some of the scrub trees on the way down. Then again I was young and experienced having had extensive background in forestry and working in Idaho and Montana. I was twenty-six years old then and now I am fourty-eight. The beach was maybe thirty feet from the waters edge to the the slippery slope and as I continued to walk east sometimes no beach at all. Instead there was water with tangled lake debris amid dead standing trees. The water was knee deep to waist deep but difficult to get through, and as I think about it I'm glad "it" wasn't lurking in there. After crossing through a couple of these beach barriers it was clear beach as far east as I could see, and I stopped by a 3'x3' boulder, sat, and began to east lunch. When I looked straight out to open water I saw two very distinct dark bumps which seemed to be separated by just a few feet. First, one bump would go underwater then the next bump would do the same, but only after the first one surfaced. I had a 20x spotting scope with me and couldn't quite make out what they were. Then they began to move east and to my left, one bump going under and then the other, but one bump always stayed on top of the water while the other submerged. It became frightfully apparent to me that this object was close to one thousand feet out and as it gained speed I realized there was a third smaller bump, and that the object was undulating. It moved very rapidly "VERY RAPIDLY" to the east and quartered towards and nearly up to the shore. The now obviously living thing stopped maybe several hundred feet from me and began moving and weaving around large boulders that were in the water, and directly towards me. IT WAS BIG and resembled an anaconda with the girth of a volkswagen. Don't laugh it wasn't funny. There was no where to go for me because of the slippery slope and the water barriers so I jumped behind the boulder and grabbed by 35mm Yashica. As it moved towards me it slowed down considerably but was making a noticeable wake. It was strangely quiet while it snaked towards me and stopped dead in the water, right in front of me. IT WAS BIG! I steadied my camera on top of the rock and fired one picture but was afraid to move after that. The thing sat there for about thirty seconds with its huge horse shaped head and large dark left eye staring at me. On the nose was a visible catfish type whisker, maybe two feet in length and wiggling. I don't talk to many people about it and have the original negative which I used to make an 8x10. The picture is high quality and every-thing plus more makes it quite a conversational piece. Incidentally a Doctor Reines from the State University of New York in Plattsburgh, New York has an 8x10 I've sent some twenty years ago. The picture is copyrighted so he didn't pursue purchasing the photo, at least that's what I think. At the time of the incident I lived in northern Illinois but now ironically I live in Michigan and only several miles from Lake Superior. Two summers ago and not far from where I live, now, recreational fisherman observed a large something bite a buck deer in half while it was wading in the water near Sault Ste. Marie. An Indian friend of mine has the newspaper article. May I also add that seeing these creatures is in Indian legend. Legend has it that Indians observed the creature do the same thing I did, and legend further adds that when it stops in the water sometime gulls mistake it for a log and land on its nose. You can guess what happened to the gull. Furthermore and finally, people disappear near Presque Isle River occasionally and are never found. It's attributed to the undertow (???). I don't swim in any deep water lake anymore and occasionally have nightmares of being consumed by the thing I saw. Randy L. Braun Email: StalkingMoon@webtv.net Images and Text © Randy L. Braun Reproduction of images and/or text prohibited without permission Lake monster posted by Dino Hunter 2.0 on March 12, 2002 When I was about 6 or 7 I was out at a family reunion, which was right next to this HUGE lake. close to halfway through the reunion I got a little bug catching kit, so I decided to try to catch this pesky moth/butterflie thing by the lake. So I went over to the bug and chased it until it flew over the lake. I looked out to see it, but saw something unexpected. About 50 to 60 feet away was a big dark form moving just under the surface, in size it was about 8 feet long. It had 4 fins, a very short tail, and a long neck with what seemed to be a very narrow head, it slowly swam to my left for about 20 seconds, then dove dove down into the depthes without even making a splash. A couple years later I read an article about a plesiosaur-like beast 10-11 feet long that ambushed deer from the shallow water, I think it`s name is Agwa-which means "water" in either Latin or Greek( I`m not good with that kinda` stuff!). It supposovly lived in a lake in West Virginia only a mile or two away from where my sighting took place, so I was convinced it was Agwa. If anyone has information on Agwa, please post something in the forum section. Strange creature sighted in Saginaw Bay, Michigan posted by Steve Mcintyre on May 17, 2002 A good friend of mine and i were taking part in a local carp shoot held every year out of Caseville MI. We were in a section of wildfowl bay near Heisterman island in fairly deep water for this area (4-5'). The small bay we were in was ~ 150-200 meters in diameter and initially the carp were everywhere but too deep to shoot. The bay is usually murky but today was clear enough to see to the bottom. I was on the bow of the 16ft Sea Nymph and my friend was driving with the smaller out board trying to give me a sharp downward angle shot in the deep water. The bay was full of big carp and we were trying to get a prize for the largest ( instead of the most pounds). The next thing we know the carp were gone as we reached the center of the small bay. I then noticed what looked like 2 garbage bags partially filled with water and floating in the bay. I directed my friend to the spot to pull out the garbage and as we came within about 30 meters of it the water around the "bags" erupted and disappeared under water. We watched as the wake of the water pushed out the mouth of the bay as it left the area. We were left speechless during this event and could not believe what we had witnessed at a place we were so familiar with. I was 16 at the time and my friend John (more like an uncle than friend) was in his mid 30's and grew up in Bayport Michigan. He had never seen anything like it before out there in his life. I am very familiar with the outdoors and organisms which inhabit michigan. I am a science teacher and an educated person and to the best of my ability I can only describe it as some sort of serpent? I know that does not sound like an educated person's description but that is the best I can do short of relating it to some "nessy" photos. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS HAD AN EXPERIENCE LIKE THIS IN MICHIGAN OR THE GREAT LAKES REGION.----------I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO THEM! THANK YOU.